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Revision as of 08:39, 5 October 2012
POC meeting, Webex Conference Call; Date: Tuesday Oct 9th, 2012 10am PDT/1pm EDT
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Change to gametophyte development stage
This change is urgent, because we need to address this in the manuscript in prep.
gametophyte development stage (PO:0028003) is currently defined as "A whole plant development stage that has as primary participant a whole plant during the interval between meiosis or apospory and its death or fertilization."
I think the last part about fertilization is misleading, because it suggests that the gametophyte stage could end in any plant with fertilization. Many gametophytic plants continue to live (and nourish the sporophyte) long after fertilization. In seed plants, the gametophyte does not exactly die after fertilization, but is transformed. I suggest we add something to the comment to help explain this, but keep the definition simpler.
New proposed definition: A whole plant development stage (PO:0007033) that has as primary participant a whole plant (PO:0000003) during the interval between meiosis or apospory and its death.
New addition to comment (rest stays the same): In seed plants, the gametophyte may be transformed by fertilization but not strictly die, such as when pollen (PO:0025281) germinates or when a plant embryo (PO:0009009) begins to develop within an embryo sac (PO:0025074) of an angiosperms.
Fruit development stages for whole plants
under construction
whole plant fruit development stage
Begins with initiation of the first fruit on a plant and ends when: the whole plant enters senescent stage, the whole plant enters dormant stage, or all fruit on the plant is mature/ripe.
whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042)
New proposed def.: A sporophyte reproductive stage (PO:0007130) that begins with the first initiation stage (PO:id) of a whole fruit development stage (PO:id) and ends with the onset of a whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010).
Comment: This term is to be used for a stage of development of a whole plant (PO:0000003). For the stages of development of an individual fruit, see fruit development stage (PO:0001002). An annual plant will only have one fruit formation stage in its life, while a perennial may have one fruit formation stage for each growing season. In plants with continuous (i.e., indeterminate) fruit development (GO:0010154), new fruits may continue to develop after the first fruit has begun to ripen and the fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) has begun. Although the use of synonyms like 07-milk stage in rice properly refer to the development of an individual fruits, they are used as here to extrapolate to a whole plant.
has_part fruit formation stage (new term, see below).
Even on an individual plant, one fruit may start to ripen, but none of the others follow (for non-climateric fruits that are not ethylene dependent).
We could define the fruit ripening stage as starting when half of the fruits start to ripen,
Maybe say "Of the first fruit of an individual plant". We already know that it applies to a single whole plant, because it is subtype of whole plant development stage.
Problem with using 50% of fruits are ripe is that it is not useful for indeterminate plants. If we leave it at the first fruit, than it is clear no matter what type of plant.
Some dissatisfaction with "growing season". Maybe we need a term in the PO like fruiting cycle.
Take out comment about annuals only having one fruiting per season, because many have more than one.
Begins with the first fruit of a "fruiting cycle". Perhaps the solution is to create a parent term "whole plant fruit development stage" and let plants have more than one of those during its life, all nested within a single sporophyte reproductive stage. Each whole plant fruit development stage have only one whole plant fruit formation stage and one whole plant fruit ripening stage.
We need to develop the individual fruit development stages in conjunction with these terms.
whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010)
New proposed def.: A sporophyte reproductive stage (PO:0007130) that begins when a fruit (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) begins the process of ripening (GO:0009835) and ends with the earliest of either (1) the whole plant begins a sporophyte senescent stage (PO:0007017), (2) the whole plant begins a sporophyte dormant stage (PO:0007132), or (3) all fruits on the whole plant are finished ripening, whichever comes first.
comment: This term is to be used for a stage of development of a whole plant. For the stages of development of an individual fruit, see fruit development stage (PO:0001002). Although individual fruits are undergoing ripening (which is a type of senescence) during this stage, the whole plant is not yet undergoing multicelluar organism senescence (GO:0010259). An annual species generally will have only one fruit ripening stage in its life, followed by a sporophyte senescent stage (PO:0007017), as in case (1). A perennial species may have one fruit ripening stage for each growing season, followed by a sporophyte dormant stage (PO:0007132), as in case (2). In evergreen species, the plant may remain in the sporophyte reproductive stage (PO:0007130) after all fruit has ripened, without entering dormancy or senescence, as in case (3). In plants with continuous (i.e., indeterminate) fruit development (GO:0010154), new fruits may continue to develop after the first fruit has begun to ripen and the whole plant fruit development stage (PO:id) has ended. Although the use of stages like dough or particular ripening stages (see synonyms) properly refer to the development of an individual fruit, they are used as here to extrapolate to a whole plant.
has_part fruit development stage (PO:0001002) (This could be made more specific, after we add specific types of fruit development stages.)
One problem is that sometimes the fruit doesn't ripen until well after the plant begins to senesce or go dormant. May need to put something this effect in the comment and point out that the individual fruits can still go on ripening afterwards.
There are cases when a single fruit starts to ripen, but nothing happens to the rest of the fruits until later, when the rest of the ripening kicks in. We may want to define the beginning as something like "When the first fruit starts to ripen in a way which, in case there are other fruit, the majority of the other fruits start to ripen continuously therewith.
We should mention in the comment that this stage begins when the fruit formation stage ends.
New fruit development stages
fruit development stage (PO:0001002)
def.: A plant structure development stage (PO:0009012) that has as primary participant a single fruit (PO:0009001).
comment: Defined by characteristic morphological, structural, histological or other visible features of a fruit. May have as part a seed development stage (PO:0001170). For development stages of a whole plant based on fruit development, use whole plant fruit development stage (PO:id) or its subclasses.
New proposed subclasses
fruit formation stage
Proposed def.: A fruit development stage (PO:0001002) that
fruit ripening stage
Proposed def.: A fruit development stage (PO:0001002) that
Subclasses of whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042)
See SF tracker for FF.00 fruit size 10% and sibling terms
At the meeting on 9/4/12, we agreed to modify the names slightly to emphasize that they belong to whole plants, and to remove numbers. Definitions should be changed to use updated name of the parent term, and to make it clearer that they refer to whole plant stages.
What about plants with asynchronous fruit development? RW and MAG talked to Naama Menda about using these terms for tomato. She felt that these size classes were not useful for tomatoes, but in any case, they used the size classes only to describe individual fruits. They will need to go over all of there existing annotations and move them to fruit development stage and its new subtypes as necessary.
FF.00 fruit size up to 10% stage (PO:0007032)
current def.: A fruit formation stage that begins with the formation of a zygote and ends when the fruit has reached 10% of its final size.
comment: This fruit development stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions. This term can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known.
proposed new name and definition:
whole plant fruit formation stage up to 10%: A whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042) that begins with the formation of the first plant zygote (PO:0000423) of a growing season and ends when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 10% of final size.
comment: This stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a plant zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions. This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
FF.01 fruit size 10 to 30% stage (PO:0007009)
current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 10% to 30% of its final size.
comment: This term can only be used if the final size of the fruit is known.
proposed new name and definition:
whole plant fruit formation stage 10 to 30%: A whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 10% to 30% of final size.
comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
FF.02 fruit size 30 to 50% stage (PO:0007029)
current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 30% to 50% of its final size.
comment: This term can only be used if the final size of the fruit is known.
proposed new name and definition:
whole plant fruit formation stage 30 to 50%: A whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 30% to 50% of its final size.
comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
FF.03 fruit size 50 to 70% stage (PO:0007007)
current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 50% to 70% of its final size.
comment: This term can only be used if the final size of the fruit is known.
proposed new name and definition:
whole plant fruit formation stage 50 to 70%: A whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 50% to 70% of its final size.
comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
FF.04 fruit size 70% to final size stage (PO:0007027)
current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 70% of its final size to its final size.
comment: This term can only be used if the final size of the fruit is known.
proposed new name and definition:
whole plant fruit formation stage 70% to final size: A whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 70% of its final size to its final size.
comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
related synonyms: BBCH principal growth stage 75; BBCH principal growth stage 79
Add new synonyms for grapes
Add related synonym: BBCH principle growth stage 77; Berries beginning to touch
Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 31 Berries pea-sized (7mm dia), bunches hang, (BBCH 75)
Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 32 Beginning of bunch closure, berries touching (if bunches are tight), Berries beginning to touch (BBCH 77)
Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 33 Berries still hard and green, Majority of berries touching, (BBCH 79)
Subclasses of whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010)
The current definitions are very vague and circular! For now, propose just rewording them so it is clear that they refer to whole plants, but we will need to develop some more specific boundaries for these stages at some point.
FR.00 beginning of fruit ripening stage (PO:0007036)
current def.: The stage at which fruit maturation begins.
proposed new name and definition:
whole plant beginning of fruit ripening stage: A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant begins.
comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
Add related synonym: BBCH principle growth stage 81; Beginning of ripening: berries begin to develop variety-specific colour
Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 35 Berries begin to colour and enlarge, beginning of veraison
FR.01 early stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007001)
current def.: The early stage in fruit ripening
related synonym: BBCH principal growth stage 83
proposed new name and definition:
whole plant early fruit ripening stage: A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is in an early stage.
comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
Add related synonym: middle of veraison
FR.02 mid stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007031)
current def.: The stage when fruit ripening is midway.
whole plant mid fruit ripening stage: A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is midway.
comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
FR.03 late stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007050)
current def.: The late stage of fruit ripening.
whole plant late fruit ripening stage: A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is in a late stage.
comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
FR.04 fruit ripening complete stage (PO:0007038)
current def.: The stage at which fruit ripening is complete.
whole plant fruit ripening complete stage: A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of most of the fruits on the plant is complete.
comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
related synonym: BBCH principal growth stage 89
Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 38; Berries ripe for harvest
References for grape terms:
Coombe (1995) Growth Stages of the Grapevine: Adoption of a system for identifying grapevine growth stages. Australian Journal of Grape and Wine Research 1: 104–110 link
Lorenz et al (1995) Growth Stages of the Grapevine: Phenological growth stages of the grapevine (Vitis vinifera L. ssp. vinifera)—Codes and descriptions according to the extended BBCH scale†. Australian Journal of Grape and Wine Research 1: 100–103 link
Fruit development stage (PO:0001002) and subclasses
This term was a subtype of collective plant structure development stage, but has moved to be direct subtype of plant structure development stage.
current def.:
fruit development stage (PO:0001002): Stages of development of a fruit defined by characteristic morphological, structural, histological or other visible features.
proposed def.: A plant structure development stage (PO:0009012) that has as primary participant a fruit (PO:0009001).
comment: Defined by characteristic morphological, structural, histological or other visible features. May have as part a seed development stage (PO:0001170).
New sub-classes of fruit development stage
After last week's call, DWS suggested that we may be able to describe diverse types of fruit development by starting with the development of different parts of the fruit, like the mesocarp or endocarp, and then showing how development of different tissues leads to different types of fruits.
We could start with fertilization stage as a first stage in all fruit development (with parthenocarpy as an exception).
Should include a stage for fruit ripening, as this is common across all fruits.
Fertilization, expansion and differentiation, ripening and/or drying.
