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from [[POC_Conf._Call_5-10-11]], Also added to the [[POC Technical Issues Page]]
 
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'''These are ranked in terms of priority for the release:'''
 
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=== * Asserting Implied Relationships ===
 
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At the [[POC_Conf._Call_3-29-11]] we agreed to start using intersection_of relations:
 
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'''Problem:'''  The inferred relations are not displayed in AmiGO
 
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Solution proposed: (from POC_Conf._Call_3-29-11)
 
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-For each new live release, we will create a version of the plant_ontology file that asserts the relations implied by the reasoner.
 
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For the time being, we should do the assertions manually (either in OboEdit, or with a script, which we manually check), to be sure that they are relations we want.
 
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This would also normally be done regularly while editing, by using the reasoner.
 
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RW suggests that it would be easier and less-error prone if the relations were asserted with a script. GO does this, so CM should have a script that we can use. Then we can check the file to make sure nothing odd was asserted.
 
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'''Do we want to release two versions -- one with implied links asserted and one without -- or should we keep the file without only for curators?'''
 
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-5-13-11: RW created a version of the plant_ontology.obo file with all of the implied is_a relations asserted. JE will test loading it. There were 46 implied relations.  Asserting the relations is pretty straightforward in OboEdit, so it will not be difficult to prepare an asserted version of the file for each release.
 
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-Implied is_a relations have been asserted in a test file (plant_ontology_assert1.obo). Once all corrections have been made to the plant_ontology.obo file, the relations can be asserted for a final version.
 
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-JE will test the loading of this file onto the dev/beta browser
 
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'''Details from email: 5-13-11'''
 
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RW: There were 46 implied is_a links. Two are a bit odd:
 
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* Poaceae ovary epidermis is_a carpel epidermis even though ovary epidermis is not
 
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* Poaceae integument epidermis is_a carpel epidermis, even though integument epidermis is not a carpel epidermis.
 
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"This is b/c Poaceae ovary is part of Poaceae carpel, but ovary is not part of carpel (it is part of gynoecium). Technically, the Poaceae integument epidermis and the Poaceae ovary epidermis are portions of carpel epidermis (that is,  a portion of epidermis that is part of a carpel), so the relation is correct. The only problem is the inconsistency.
 
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The inconsistency will go away when we get rid of the Poaceae terms, so I am okay with just leaving it for now."
 
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===* Problem on the dev browser- can't filter by the new 'plant anatomy' name===
 
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Looked at filtering problem on dev browser.  It does not seem to be related to differences in capitalization or word form, as these also exist on the live browser, with no problem.
 
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-5-13 JE and JP were able to find the problem and fix it. 
 
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Seems to be working fine now.  JE will have to redo the fix once the live browser is updated to the new version, but it should be easier, now that it is fixed on the dev browser. 
 
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-Still don't know if loading the annotations will complicate this, but will test on beta.
 
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-RW, 5-16: If I do a search first, and then set the filter, it seems to work fine, but if there is more than one page of results, when I go to page two, it reverts to all the results. Also, if I set the filter first, and then to a search, it reverts to "all" and gives me all the results (maybe this is the normal behavior.
 
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=== * Proper Flow of Annotations through the Relations ===
 
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* has_parts -need to go the opposite direction, (see the tech issues page for more info)
 
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* develops_from and adjacent_to  -neither of these should be transitive
 
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''These are major programming problems that cannot be fixed for this release. Can include a disclaimer.''
 
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===* New images needed for browser===
 
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We need images for participates_in and adjacent_to.
 
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RW sent the image for participates_in to JE.
 
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Still need image for adjacent_to,  RW requested help from PJ about this
 
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===* Inserting the translations as synonyms into the obo file:===
 
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'''Spanish:'''
 
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-We have a list of translations of the PO terms into Spanish, with the accented characters replaced ASCII text.
 
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Needs to be inserted into the OBO file using a script, then tested on the dev or beta browser.
 
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'''Problem:''' The synonym type does not appear in AmiGO,  so we should append (Sp.) or (Spanish) to the synonym
 
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RW will check with CM and ask if he can suggest the best way to display synonym types in AmiGO (''no response'')
 
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-We have a list of translations of the PO terms into Japanese from Yukiko Yamakazi, but the Japanese characters will not display correctly on the AmiGO browser
 
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-JE is still waiting to hear from Yukiko about altering AmiGO loading script to display Japanese characters.
 
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We decided at the 5-10 meeting that putting in the Japanese synonyms will take more work and testing.  Best to leave that for the next release.
 
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But after the meeting PJ suggested that we go ahead and put in the Japanese translations and then have JE run a script to remove them in our version for the browser.  That way YY can use them right away for  their users. 
 
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-Would we host two separate version of the live file?  These translations will most likely be a problem for other groups who are using our ontology, such as the SGN.  Problematic for maintenance.
 
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How does GO deal with this?
 
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Alternatively, We might be better to send YY a special version of the file containing them and this can be done once the release is out.
 
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-PJ mentioned someone at FAO for translation mechanism for about seven languages. Will contact him after this release.
 
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''We should create a branch on SVN for the translation files. Then people who do the translations can access and update them.''
 
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''Should add a dbxref to foreign synonyms to give credit to the translaters, for example: POC:mag for the Spanish synonyms.''
 
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It would be helpful to be able to generate a list of the new terms whenever we are ready for a new release.
 
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It should contain the ID, English name, foreign name, and definition.
 
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PJ sent a note out by email that some users are having problems displaying AmiGO Browser in Internet Explorer: IE views are not similar to the ones in Firefox.
 
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-See the comment at:[https://sites.google.com/site/liveplantimagegroup/ontologies-and-identifier-structure/plant-ontology link] "On my computer, this displays correctly in FireFox  3.6.13, but not Internet Explorer 8.0.6' on this page."
 
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- RW confirmed it: "The Amigo browser tree view does not display correctly in Internet Explorer on my PC either. All of the terms at one level of the tree are displayed on one line, instead of in a hierarchy. I'm sure I've griped about this before, but don't know if I have a written record. It works fine on Safari and Firefox on my Mac."
 
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JE looked into this and it seems to be just with the newest version of the IE.  We will put a note on our browser site: "Best viewed using Firefox" or something to that effect.
 
  
 
=Items arising from previous meetings:=
 
=Items arising from previous meetings:=

Revision as of 18:52, 16 May 2011

POC meeting, Webex Conference Call; Date: Tuesday May 17th, 2011 10am (PDT)

In attendance:

POC members:

Absent:

Collaborators:


Acceptance of the minutes from the POC_Conf._Call_5-10-11?

Status Report for Upcoming Release:

New terms requested by Moss Ontology

leaflet

As a related synonym of non-vascular leaf (in the sense that it is a small leaf)

leaflet midrib

As a related synonym of costa (not as a new term for a midrib in a non-vascular leaflet).

amphithecium

We have the term exothecium (PO:0030073): A portion of epidermis that is the outermost layer of a sporangium. [Crum]

Sporangium epidermis, epithecium, and amphithecium are currently synonyms of exothecium.

However, "these two (amphithecium and exothecium) are not synonymes - exothecium may develop from the amphithecium but not necessarily" (from Stefan)

Moss Ontology defines ampithecium as "The outer layer of cells of the sporangium, cf. endothecium.[Celia Knight,Pierre-François Perroud,David Cove (2009): The moss Physcomitrella patens. The Annual Plant Review 36, Glossary]"

Campbell, p. 13: "the outer tissue (amphithecium) of the embryo"

and also p. 179: "The terms endothecium and amphithecium have been given respectively to these two primary parts of the young Moss sporangium." (the inner and outer parts)

This contrasts with a broader use of endothecium (PO:0030049) across land plants, which we define as: A portion of ground tissue that is the sub-epidermal layer of a sporangium wall. Comment: The outermost layer of a sporangium wall, internal to the exothecium.

Both Parihar and Smith say that the amphithecium gives rise to the sporangium jacket layer (which is equivalent to the sporangium wall).


Definitions from Crum (Definitions from Schofeld are similar):

amphithecium: tissue of the embryo external to the endothecium, giving rise to the capsul wall and the peristome of true mosses and, in hornworts and peat mosses, spores.

endothecium: in bryophyte capsule, the embryonic tissue internal to the amphitecium; in liverworts hte endothecium produces sporogenous tissue; in Sphagnum, Andreaea, and hornworts, it produces columella and sporogenous tissue.

exothecial cells: the outer layer of cells of a capsule wall.

Proposed definitions (new or modified):

A portion of plant tissue that is the outer layer of a sporangium early in sporangium development.

Comment: Term used for bryophytes. An amphithecium may give rise to an ex

New apical cells

Proposed definitions:

caulonema meristematic apical cell: A protonema meristematic apical cell that is part of a caulonema.

chloronema meristematic apical cell: A protonema meristematic apical cell that is part of a chloronema.

rhizoid meristematic apical cell: A gametophytic meristematic apical cell that is part of a rhizoid.

gametophore bud initial

Proposed definition: A protonemal side branch initial that gives rise to a gametophore bud.

Sibling of protonemal side branch rhizoid initial (PO:0030077)

Add gametophore bud develops_from gametophore bud initial.

Timeline for release:

* Week of May 9th to 13th:

*Completed required edits and changes?

-All edits as per minutes are done :-)

-All known errors are fixed (sure others will show up)

-LC, RW, JE and PJ met on 5-12 to make a decision about the translations and the nouns vs adjectives in names (see below)- done

-Need to assert implied relations (see below)- in progress...

-Reassigning annotations from terms that been obsoleted. in progress...

See the page: along with database groups TAIR, Gramene, SGN, MaizeGDB, etc

-JE ran the script to give LC a list of the annotations attached to the obsoleted terms- see below

* Week of May 16th to 20th:

-Load new file onto Beta browser to check for any issues with loading, annotations

- send link to reviewers- Physcomitrella group, po-internal, others??

- Schedule a Plant Ontology Webinar- May 2011 release to demonstrate the new plant anatomy terms that have been added to accommodate mosses and give reviewers a brief tutorial on how to use PO.

-prepare release notices, update on PO page, facebook

* Week of May 23-27th:

-fix any final issues that have come up

-Release on live browser

-Send out announcements

Items arising from previous meetings:

Adjective form vs Noun form in term names

Do we need to use the adjective form for some, e.g., antheridial wall versus antheridium wall?

The advantage of using adjectives is that they often seem more grammatically correct.

The advantage of using nouns is that if the differntia is another PO class, then the noun will match that class name (for example, antheridium wall automatically matches to the PO class antheridium).

At the POC meeting on 5-10-11, we agree to use the noun form for all primary term names, and add the adjective form as an exact synonym.

The obo file has been changed to reflect this. Terms that had antheridial, archegonial, floral,embryonic, gametophytic, and sporophytic have been changed to antheridium, archegonium, flower, embryo, gametophyte and sporophyte, and the adjective forms made exact synonyms.

Maybe this does not work for every case? For example, should be we change apical meristem to apex meristem or meristematic apical cell to meristem apex cell?

What about terminal bud to terminus bud or axillary bud to axil bud? Basal endosperm transfer cell to base endosperm transfer cell? Cultured plant cell to culture plant cell?

Others that are probably okay to change: cambial/procambial, epidermal

We decided the make it a policy to use the noun name when the term refers to another term in the ontology. In the other cases such as for descriptors "extrafloral", we will use the form of the word that is in common use and makes the most sense.

idioblast

We use the term idioblast in the comments for plant cell and plant organ. At an earlier meeting, we discussed adding a term for idioblast.

idioblast (PO:0000283) was in the PO before. Def.: A cell in a tissue that markedly differs in form, size, or contents from other cells in the same tissue. [ISBN:0471245208]

PO:0000283 is obsolete: "This term was made obsolete because its a kind of attribute for a cell type."

This term has be un-obsoleted. See SourceForge for definition and comment.

Upcoming meetings 2011:

Phenotype RCN Meeting: June 1-3rd, Boulder CO

Goals of the Plant Working Group at this meeting (from the Phenotype RCN webpage):

"Plants – Go through relevant parts of Plant Ontology in order to develop proofs of concept; explore how to make links to homology. Examine existing annotations and determine kinds of info can be extracted. Analyze quantitative data and look for ways to annotate them."

PJ will attend

More details TBA


2011 Semantic Web Workshop June 6th and 7th, Santa Fe, NM.

Hosted by Damian Gessler and the iPlant Collaborative, this two-day workshop will focus on biological applications for semantic web services.

-JE and JP will be attending

-JE has already worked with Damian to implement a SSWAP web service for PO terms, so further collaboration with him and iPlant will benefit the POC going forward.

For more Workshop details: Semantic web.


Botany 2011 Meeting [Botany 2011] St. Louis, MO at the Chase Park Plaza, July 9-13.

Societies participating: Society for Economic Botany, the American Fern Society (AFS), the American Society of Plant Taxonomists (ASPT), and the Botanical Society of America (BSA).

Anybody going??


* ICBO 2011 Second International Conference on Biomedical Ontology July 26-30, 2011 Buffalo, New York

ICBO

LC is co-organizing the workshop "From Fins to Limbs to Leaves: Facilitating anatomy ontology interoperability" along with Melissa Haendel, Chris Mungall, Alan Ruttenberg, David Osumi-Sutherland.

Full-Day Workshops Schedule:

July 26 9am-6pm The Ontological Representation of Adverse Events: Working with Multiple Biomedical Ontologies

July 27 8.30am-4pm Facilitating Anatomy Ontology Interoperability

July 26 6.30pm-9pm Evening Workshop: Common Logic

July 27 4pm-8pm Evening Workshop: Doctoral and Post-Doctoral Consortium

- LC will attend and represent the PO. Invite other plant people?


*Plant Biology 2011, Aug 6-10th, Minneapolis, Minn

Plant Biology 2011


For inclusion on the program memory stick and in the program book, abstracts must be submitted by May 27.

Gramene will be putting together a workshop again, focusing on pathways. LC and PJ will present a PO poster.

TAIR (Kate Dreher) is organizing an Outreach Booth and we are invited to take part.



* International Botanical Congress (IBC2011)

July 23rd-30th 2011, Melbourne, Australia

Registration is open Important dates

Symposium 'Bio-Ontologies for the Plant Sciences' under the Genetics, Genomics and Bioinformatics theme, wiil be held on Thursday, 27 July, from 13:30 to 15:30.

Dennis, Alejandra, Pankaj and Ramona are planning to attend.

Scott Schuette from the Department of Plant Biology at Southern Illinois University has been added as the sixth speaker in our symposium. He will speak on "Predicted Protein-Protein Interactions in the Moss Physcomitrella patens: A New Bioinformatic Resource".

See IBC 2011 Bio-Ontologies Symposium wiki page for more details

Next meeting scheduled for Tuesday, May 24th, 2011 at 10am PDT/1pm EDT

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