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POC members: Laurel Cooper (OSU), Marie Alejandra Gandolfo (Cornell), Barry Smith (University at Buffalo, NY), Justin Elser (OSU), Justin Preece (OSU), Pankaj Jaiswal (OSU), Ramona Walls (NYBG), Dennis Stevenson (NYBG)
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Absent: Chris Mungall (Lawrence Berkeley National Lab)
  
 
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Any changes or corrections (additions/deletions, etc) needed in the minutes from the [[POC_Conf._Call_10-2-12]]?
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Any changes or corrections (additions/deletions, etc) needed in the minutes from the [[POC_Conf._Call_10-2-12]]? ''no additions, deletions, or changes''
  
 
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Back to [[POC Meetings Minutes]]
  
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Streaming recording link: https://ontology.webex.com/ontology/ldr.php?AT=pb&SP=MC&rID=68952927&rKey=8ea2a20393db7805
  
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=Subclasses of whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042)=
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Download recording link: https://ontology.webex.com/ontology/lsr.php?AT=dw&SP=MC&rID=68952927&rKey=f7ca49a945781e72
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''Modify names slightly for all of these (see below). Change definitions to use updated name of parent term.''
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=SIA v0.2.1 Released=
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'''Note the update to v0.2.1 already. I solved a nagging issue and enhanced the data storage structure today. If you downloaded v0.2 yesterday, please upgrade to v0.2.1 before continuing to try out SIA.''' Thanks! - JP
  
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''What if fruits vary in size? You can still judge what 50 or 70% of final size is, if size variation is known.''
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Justin Preece has packaged and uploaded a new version of SIA for Mac and Linux (Windows still in progress). This version is fit for public consumption, although it is still very much beta software with lots of opportunity for improvement. Several technical issues have been fixed and a few small enhancements have been made.
  
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''What about plants with asynchronous fruit development? Do we need to develop whole plant growth stages for these types of plants. RW and MAG will talk to Naama about this.''
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*Our lab site post: http://jaiswallab.cgrb.oregonstate.edu/software#SIA
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*Downloads: http://files.cgrb.oregonstate.edu/Jaiswal_Lab/sia/v0.2.1/
  
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It would be great if folks on today's call with access to Linux and Mac machines could give the installation instructions a test drive. Feel free to let me know if anything seems amiss. If you want to report any bugs or request new features, just send an email to <sia-support@palea.cgrb.oregonstate.edu>
  
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''We need to make it clear for all these stages that we are dealing with the FMA calls a cannonical plant, that is, a typical plant. Also, when we talk about final fruit size being known, that implies that the phenotype of a given genotype is well known. Need to make these points in the paper.''
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JP will coordinate the appropriate PO emails and web site announcements with Lol. Thanks!
  
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====FF.00 fruit size up to 10% stage (PO:0007032)====
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=Update from Cornell=
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current def.: A fruit formation stage that begins with the formation of a zygote and ends when the fruit has reached 10% of its final size.
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Ale has been in communication with Bob Turgeon and got comments from him on phloem terms. Still waiting for follow up. MAG will forward the information.
  
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comment: This fruit development stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions. This term can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known.
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=Manuscripts in prep=
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''No discussion today''
  
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=Change to [https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3030027&group_id=76834&atid=835555 gametophyte development stage]=
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This change is urgent, because we need to address this in the manuscript in prep.
  
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''  
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gametophyte development stage (PO:0028003) is currently defined as "A whole plant development stage that has as primary participant a whole plant during the interval between meiosis or apospory and its death ''or fertilization''."
  
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'''fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size up to 10%:''' A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that begins with the formation of the first plant zygote (PO:0000423) of a growing season and ends when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 10% of final size.
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I think the last part about fertilization is misleading, because it suggests that the gametophyte stage could end in ''any'' plant with fertilization. Many gametophytic plants continue to live (and nourish the sporophyte) long after fertilization. In seed plants, the gametophyte does not exactly die after fertilization, but is transformed. I suggest we add something to the comment to help explain this, but keep the definition simpler.
  
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comment: This stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a plant zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions. This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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'''New proposed definition:''' A whole plant development stage (PO:0007033) that has as primary participant a whole plant (PO:0000003) during the interval between meiosis or apospory and its death.
  
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''new name: whole plant fruit formation stage up to 10%''
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'''New addition to comment (rest stays the same):''' In seed plants, the gametophyte may be transformed by fertilization but not strictly die, such as when pollen (PO:0025281) germinates or when a plant embryo (PO:0009009) begins to develop within an embryo sac (PO:0025074) of an angiosperms.
  
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====FF.01 fruit size 10 to 30% stage (PO:0007009)====
 
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current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 10% to 30% of its final size.
 
  
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comment: This term can only be used ''of'' (sic) the final size of the fruit is known.
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''After some discussion, we thought probably the best way would be to define the gds as ending when the gametophyte ceases to exist. Comment: ceasing to exist can either come about by death, at any point, or transformation, through fertilization.''
  
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''  
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''Better to say "when pollen releases its sperm cells" than when it germinates. Germination of pollen is still in the gametophyte stage.''
  
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'''fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 10 to 30%:''' A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 10% to 30% of final size.
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=Fruit development stages for whole plants=
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==[https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3574905&group_id=76834&atid=835555 whole plant fruit development stage (PO:0025500)]==
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New term
  
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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'''proposed defintion:''' A sporophyte reproductive stage that begins when a ''single'' fruit (PO:0009001) enters its fruit initiation stage (PO:0025503) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) ''that does not have any other fruits as part'', and ends with the earliest of the following: (1) the whole plant begins a sporophyte senescent stage (PO:0007017), (2) the whole plant begins a sporophyte dormant stage (PO:0007132), or (3) all fruits on the whole plant are finished ripening.
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Comment: Sub-classes include whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042) and whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010). An iteroparous plant will have a single whole plant fruit development stage during its life of whole plant (PO:0025337), while a semelparous plant may have multiple whole plant fruit development stages during its life, each of which will be part of the same instance of a sporophyte reproductive stage.
  
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''new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 10 to 30%''
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''It doesn't work to say "it has not other fruits as part", because sometimes the fruits from the previous fruiting cycle are still present. Also, sounds like there is only one fruit made by the plant.''
  
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====FF.02 fruit size 30 to 50% stage (PO:0007029)====
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''PJ suggested creating instead a "whole plant fruit bearing stage", but the problem with that is that many plants have fruits long after they leave the sporophyte reproductive stage. We could have such a stage, but it could not be a sub-class of sporophyte reproductive stage. It would have to sit outside our existing classification.''
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current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 30% to 50% of its final size.
 
  
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comment: This term can only be used ''of'' the final size of the fruit is known.
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''We decided to work on the individual fruit stages first then come back to the whole plant stages.''
  
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''  
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==[http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3565057&group_id=76834&atid=835555 whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042)]==
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''postponed to future meeting''
  
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'''fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 30 to 50%:''' A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 30% to 50% of its final size.
 
  
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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==[http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3565059&group_id=76834&atid=835555 whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010)]==
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''postponed to future meeting''
  
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''new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 30 to 50%''
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=New fruit development stages=
  
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====FF.03 fruit size 50 to 70% stage (PO:0007007)====
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==[http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3573602&group_id=76834&atid=835555 fruit development stage (PO:0001002)]==
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current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 50% to 70% of its final size.
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def.: A plant structure development stage (PO:0009012) that has as primary participant a single fruit (PO:0009001).
  
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comment: This term can only be used ''of'' the final size of the fruit is known.
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comment: Defined by characteristic morphological, structural, histological or other visible features of a fruit. May have as part a seed development stage (PO:0001170). This stage applies to an individual fruit (PO:0009001).  For development stages of a whole plant based on fruit development, use whole plant fruit development stage (PO:0025500) or its subclasses.
  
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''  
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''okay''
  
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'''fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 50 to 70%:''' A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 50% to 70% of its final size.
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==New proposed subclasses==
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''still need to create SF tracker items and add xref to terms''
  
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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''carried over to next week''
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===fruit formation stage (PO:0025501)===
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Proposed def.: A fruit development stage (PO:0001002) that being with the formation of the plant zygote (PO:0000423) ''that is contained in that fruit'' and ends when ''its'' fruit ripening stage (PO:0025502) begins.
  
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''new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 50 to 70%''
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comment: ''A fruit formation stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions.'' This stage applies to an individual fruit (PO:0009001). For the development stage of a whole plant (PO:0000003), use whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042).
  
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====FF.04 fruit size 70% to final size stage (PO:0007027)====
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====new subclasses of fruit formation stage====
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current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 70% of its final size to its final size.
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These are the stages that were developed for whole plants, but groups like SGN really need to apply them to individual fruits. I also added a new stage for fruit initiation.
  
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comment: This term can only be used ''of'' the final size of the fruit is known.
 
  
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''  
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'''fruit initiation stage (PO:0025503)''': A fruit formation stage (PO:0025501) that begins with the formation of the plant zygote (PO:0000423) ''that is contained in that fruit (PO:0009001)'' and ends when the plant cells (PO:0009002) in the fruit begin to ''divide or expand (add GO terms)''.
  
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'''fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 70% to final size:''' A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 70% of its final size to its final size.
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Comment: The fruit initiation stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions. This stage ends as soon as plant cells (PO:0009002) in a developing fruit begin to divide or expand. This stage is to be used for an individual fruit. For the development stage of a whole plant (PO:0000003), use whole plant fruit formation stage up to 10% (PO:0007032).
  
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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''What about fruits that don't grow after fertilization? I guess they go right to ripening stage? Do we need a comment to this effect? Maybe say it ends when cells start to divide or expand or senesce, if it goes directly into the ripening stage.''
  
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related synonyms: BBCH principal growth stage 75; BBCH principal growth stage 79
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''Note that this stage could be very brief, if fruit starts to grow or ripen right away.''
  
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''new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 70% to final size''
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''We need to coordinate with go about terms like "growth".
  
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====New synonyms for grapes====
 
  
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''Add related synonym: BBCH principle growth stage 77; Berries beginning to touch''
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''other stages postponed until next week''
  
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''Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 31  Berries pea-sized (7mm dia), bunches hang, (BBCH 75)''
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===fruit ripening stage===
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''postponed until next week''
  
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''Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 32 Beginning of bunch closure, berries touching (if bunches are tight), Berries beginning to touch (BBCH 77)''
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=Subclasses of whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042)=
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See SF tracker for [https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3374186&group_id=76834&atid=835555 FF.00 fruit size 10% and sibling terms]
  
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''Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 33 Berries still hard and green, Majority of berries touching, (BBCH 79)''
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''postponed to future meeting''
  
 
=Subclasses of whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010)=
 
=Subclasses of whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010)=
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''postponed to future meeting''
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=Upcoming meetings and Presentations 2012-2013:=
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==[http://phenotypercn.org/ Phenotype RCN meeting], Oct 26-29th 2012==
  
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''Will post these on SF so we can work on them at a later meeting.''
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Asilomar, CA
  
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The current definitions are very vague and circular! For now, proposed just rewording them so it is clear that they refer to whole plants, but we will need to develop some more specific boundaries for these stages.
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LC is going and has been working with LM to compile EQ statments to describe ~100 rice mutants.  These are going to be compiled with similar statements from maize, Arabidopsis, Soybean, SGN- tomato, and  Medicago.
  
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==FR.00 beginning of fruit ripening stage (PO:0007036)==
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The project (headed by EH) be combining the mutants with similar E and Q and looking at the genes and if they are orthologs.
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current def.: The stage at which fruit maturation begins.
 
  
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''
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==[http://www.intlpag.org/ PAG 2013], San Diego, CA; January 12th - 16th, 2013==
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* Date and Time: Saturday, January 12, 2013: 08:00 AM - 10:10 AM, Royal Palm Salon 5-6
  
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'''beginning of fruit ripening stage of whole plant:''' A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant begins.
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We will be running a workshop focusing on:
  
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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[https://pag.confex.com/pag/xxi/webprogram/Session1596.html Applications of Ontologies for Plant and Animal Genomics]
  
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Three speakers so far: Eva, Reinhard Simon and Elizabeth Arnaud. 
  
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''Add related synonym: BBCH principle growth stage 81; Beginning of ripening: berries begin to develop variety-specific colour
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* PJ present the Ref Plant Ontology Vision? 
  
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''Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 35  Berries begin to colour and enlarge, beginning of veraison ''
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* Would like to invite someone from Textpresso and AgriGO as these are applications that would attract a number of people.
  
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==FR.01 early stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007001)==
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from 9/4- ''PJ: Suggestions- someone from GO in Berkeley, e.g. Nigam Shaw''  
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current def.: The early stage in fruit ripening
 
  
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related synonym: BBCH principal growth stage 83
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* Can we offer something to entice the speakers, in addition to the $100 discount on registration offered by the conference?
  
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''
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* Need to submit list of speakers by November 1, 2012. 
  
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'''early fruit ripening stage of whole plant:''' A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is in an early stage.
 
  
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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Deadline for computer demo- Nov 1st
  
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''Add related synonym: middle of veraison''
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''I would imagine a SIA demo would be appropriate. - JP''
  
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==FR.02 mid stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007031)==
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==Biocuration 2013 conference, Cambridge, 7-10th April 2013==
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current def.: The stage when fruit ripening is midway.
 
  
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'''mid fruit ripening stage of whole plant:''' A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is midway.
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submission deadline for papers and abstracts for posters is 30th November.  Papers will be published by DATABASE.
  
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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possible venue for CROP white paper?
  
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==FR.03 late stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007050)==
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==PRO-PO-GO meeting, May 2013==
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current def.: The late stage of fruit ripening.
 
  
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'''late fruit ripening stage of whole plant:''' A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is in a late stage.
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Location: Buffalo, NY 
  
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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Tentative Dates: May 8-9th or May 15-16th, 2013.  
  
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==FR.04 fruit ripening complete stage (PO:0007038)==
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# To educate members of the PRO, PO and GO communities concerning developments in each of the three ontologies, with a view to enhanced coordination
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# To identify potentially fruitful applications which such enhanced coordination might bring  
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# To enhance the Protein Ontology treatment of plant-related proteins
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# To address coordination issues between the GO and PO, for example as concerns treatment of development stages
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# To further those aspects of CROP which relate to PRO and GO [this is assuming that PRO is included as one of the external ontologies in CROP]
  
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'''fruit ripening complete stage of whole plant:''' A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of most of the fruits on the plant is complete.
 
  
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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Tentative participant list:  
  
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related synonym: BBCH principal growth stage 89
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PO Consortium members: Pankaj Jaiswal and Laurel Cooper (OSU), Dennis Stevenson (NYBG), Barry Smith (Buffalo), others?
  
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''Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 38;  Berries ripe for harvest''
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GO Consortium members: Jane Lomax (EBI), Judith Blake (JAX), Alex Diehl (Buffalo) who else?
  
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PRO Consortium members: Cathy Wu, Alan Ruttenberg (Buffalo)
  
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References for grape terms:
 
  
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Coombe (1995) Growth Stages of the Grapevine: Adoption of a system for identifying grapevine growth stages. Australian Journal of Grape and Wine Research 1: 104–110  [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-0238.1995.tb00086.x/abstract link]
 
  
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Lorenz et al (1995) Growth Stages of the Grapevine: Phenological growth stages of the grapevine (Vitis vinifera L. ssp. vinifera)—Codes and descriptions according to the extended BBCH scale†. Australian Journal of Grape and Wine Research 1: 100–103 [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-0238.1995.tb00085.x/abstract link]
 
  
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBCH-scale_%28grape%29 BBCH grapes]
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=Next meeting scheduled for Tuesday, Oct 16th, 2012 at 10am PDT/1pm EDT=

Latest revision as of 20:02, 11 October 2012

POC meeting, Webex Conference Call; Date: Tuesday Oct 9th, 2012 10am PDT/1pm EDT

In attendance:

POC members: Laurel Cooper (OSU), Marie Alejandra Gandolfo (Cornell), Barry Smith (University at Buffalo, NY), Justin Elser (OSU), Justin Preece (OSU), Pankaj Jaiswal (OSU), Ramona Walls (NYBG), Dennis Stevenson (NYBG)

Absent: Chris Mungall (Lawrence Berkeley National Lab)

Collaborators: none


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SIA v0.2.1 Released

Note the update to v0.2.1 already. I solved a nagging issue and enhanced the data storage structure today. If you downloaded v0.2 yesterday, please upgrade to v0.2.1 before continuing to try out SIA. Thanks! - JP

Justin Preece has packaged and uploaded a new version of SIA for Mac and Linux (Windows still in progress). This version is fit for public consumption, although it is still very much beta software with lots of opportunity for improvement. Several technical issues have been fixed and a few small enhancements have been made.

It would be great if folks on today's call with access to Linux and Mac machines could give the installation instructions a test drive. Feel free to let me know if anything seems amiss. If you want to report any bugs or request new features, just send an email to <sia-support@palea.cgrb.oregonstate.edu>

JP will coordinate the appropriate PO emails and web site announcements with Lol. Thanks!

Update from Cornell

Ale has been in communication with Bob Turgeon and got comments from him on phloem terms. Still waiting for follow up. MAG will forward the information.

Manuscripts in prep

No discussion today

Change to gametophyte development stage

This change is urgent, because we need to address this in the manuscript in prep.

gametophyte development stage (PO:0028003) is currently defined as "A whole plant development stage that has as primary participant a whole plant during the interval between meiosis or apospory and its death or fertilization."

I think the last part about fertilization is misleading, because it suggests that the gametophyte stage could end in any plant with fertilization. Many gametophytic plants continue to live (and nourish the sporophyte) long after fertilization. In seed plants, the gametophyte does not exactly die after fertilization, but is transformed. I suggest we add something to the comment to help explain this, but keep the definition simpler.

New proposed definition: A whole plant development stage (PO:0007033) that has as primary participant a whole plant (PO:0000003) during the interval between meiosis or apospory and its death.

New addition to comment (rest stays the same): In seed plants, the gametophyte may be transformed by fertilization but not strictly die, such as when pollen (PO:0025281) germinates or when a plant embryo (PO:0009009) begins to develop within an embryo sac (PO:0025074) of an angiosperms.


After some discussion, we thought probably the best way would be to define the gds as ending when the gametophyte ceases to exist. Comment: ceasing to exist can either come about by death, at any point, or transformation, through fertilization.

Better to say "when pollen releases its sperm cells" than when it germinates. Germination of pollen is still in the gametophyte stage.

Fruit development stages for whole plants

whole plant fruit development stage (PO:0025500)

New term

proposed defintion: A sporophyte reproductive stage that begins when a single fruit (PO:0009001) enters its fruit initiation stage (PO:0025503) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) that does not have any other fruits as part, and ends with the earliest of the following: (1) the whole plant begins a sporophyte senescent stage (PO:0007017), (2) the whole plant begins a sporophyte dormant stage (PO:0007132), or (3) all fruits on the whole plant are finished ripening.

Comment: Sub-classes include whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042) and whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010). An iteroparous plant will have a single whole plant fruit development stage during its life of whole plant (PO:0025337), while a semelparous plant may have multiple whole plant fruit development stages during its life, each of which will be part of the same instance of a sporophyte reproductive stage.

It doesn't work to say "it has not other fruits as part", because sometimes the fruits from the previous fruiting cycle are still present. Also, sounds like there is only one fruit made by the plant.

PJ suggested creating instead a "whole plant fruit bearing stage", but the problem with that is that many plants have fruits long after they leave the sporophyte reproductive stage. We could have such a stage, but it could not be a sub-class of sporophyte reproductive stage. It would have to sit outside our existing classification.

We decided to work on the individual fruit stages first then come back to the whole plant stages.

whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042)

postponed to future meeting


whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010)

postponed to future meeting

New fruit development stages

fruit development stage (PO:0001002)

def.: A plant structure development stage (PO:0009012) that has as primary participant a single fruit (PO:0009001).

comment: Defined by characteristic morphological, structural, histological or other visible features of a fruit. May have as part a seed development stage (PO:0001170). This stage applies to an individual fruit (PO:0009001). For development stages of a whole plant based on fruit development, use whole plant fruit development stage (PO:0025500) or its subclasses.

okay

New proposed subclasses

still need to create SF tracker items and add xref to terms

carried over to next week

fruit formation stage (PO:0025501)

Proposed def.: A fruit development stage (PO:0001002) that being with the formation of the plant zygote (PO:0000423) that is contained in that fruit and ends when its fruit ripening stage (PO:0025502) begins.

comment: A fruit formation stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions. This stage applies to an individual fruit (PO:0009001). For the development stage of a whole plant (PO:0000003), use whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042).

new subclasses of fruit formation stage

These are the stages that were developed for whole plants, but groups like SGN really need to apply them to individual fruits. I also added a new stage for fruit initiation.


fruit initiation stage (PO:0025503): A fruit formation stage (PO:0025501) that begins with the formation of the plant zygote (PO:0000423) that is contained in that fruit (PO:0009001) and ends when the plant cells (PO:0009002) in the fruit begin to divide or expand (add GO terms).

Comment: The fruit initiation stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions. This stage ends as soon as plant cells (PO:0009002) in a developing fruit begin to divide or expand. This stage is to be used for an individual fruit. For the development stage of a whole plant (PO:0000003), use whole plant fruit formation stage up to 10% (PO:0007032).

What about fruits that don't grow after fertilization? I guess they go right to ripening stage? Do we need a comment to this effect? Maybe say it ends when cells start to divide or expand or senesce, if it goes directly into the ripening stage.

Note that this stage could be very brief, if fruit starts to grow or ripen right away.

We need to coordinate with go about terms like "growth".


other stages postponed until next week

fruit ripening stage

postponed until next week

Subclasses of whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042)

See SF tracker for FF.00 fruit size 10% and sibling terms

postponed to future meeting

Subclasses of whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010)

postponed to future meeting

Upcoming meetings and Presentations 2012-2013:

Phenotype RCN meeting, Oct 26-29th 2012

Asilomar, CA

LC is going and has been working with LM to compile EQ statments to describe ~100 rice mutants. These are going to be compiled with similar statements from maize, Arabidopsis, Soybean, SGN- tomato, and Medicago.

The project (headed by EH) be combining the mutants with similar E and Q and looking at the genes and if they are orthologs.

PAG 2013, San Diego, CA; January 12th - 16th, 2013

  • Date and Time: Saturday, January 12, 2013: 08:00 AM - 10:10 AM, Royal Palm Salon 5-6

We will be running a workshop focusing on:

Applications of Ontologies for Plant and Animal Genomics

Three speakers so far: Eva, Reinhard Simon and Elizabeth Arnaud.

  • PJ present the Ref Plant Ontology Vision?
  • Would like to invite someone from Textpresso and AgriGO as these are applications that would attract a number of people.

from 9/4- PJ: Suggestions- someone from GO in Berkeley, e.g. Nigam Shaw

  • Can we offer something to entice the speakers, in addition to the $100 discount on registration offered by the conference?
  • Need to submit list of speakers by November 1, 2012.


Deadline for computer demo- Nov 1st

I would imagine a SIA demo would be appropriate. - JP

Biocuration 2013 conference, Cambridge, 7-10th April 2013

submission deadline for papers and abstracts for posters is 30th November. Papers will be published by DATABASE.

possible venue for CROP white paper?

PRO-PO-GO meeting, May 2013

Location: Buffalo, NY

Tentative Dates: May 8-9th or May 15-16th, 2013.

Goals:

  1. To educate members of the PRO, PO and GO communities concerning developments in each of the three ontologies, with a view to enhanced coordination
  2. To identify potentially fruitful applications which such enhanced coordination might bring
  3. To enhance the Protein Ontology treatment of plant-related proteins
  4. To address coordination issues between the GO and PO, for example as concerns treatment of development stages
  5. To further those aspects of CROP which relate to PRO and GO [this is assuming that PRO is included as one of the external ontologies in CROP]


Tentative participant list:

PO Consortium members: Pankaj Jaiswal and Laurel Cooper (OSU), Dennis Stevenson (NYBG), Barry Smith (Buffalo), others?

GO Consortium members: Jane Lomax (EBI), Judith Blake (JAX), Alex Diehl (Buffalo) who else?

PRO Consortium members: Cathy Wu, Alan Ruttenberg (Buffalo)



Next meeting scheduled for Tuesday, Oct 16th, 2012 at 10am PDT/1pm EDT

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