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=Subclasses of whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042)=
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''Modify names slightly for all of these (see below). Change definitions to use updated name of parent term.''
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''What if fruits vary in size? You can still judge what 50 or 70% of final size is, if size variation is known.''
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''What about plants with asynchronous fruit development? Do we need to develop whole plant growth stages for these types of plants. RW and MAG will talk to Naama about this.''
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''We need to make it clear for all these stages that we are dealing with the FMA calls a cannonical plant, that is, a typical plant. Also, when we talk about final fruit size being known, that implies that the phenotype of a given genotype is well known. Need to make these points in the paper.''
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====FF.00 fruit size up to 10% stage (PO:0007032)====
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current def.: A fruit formation stage that begins with the formation of a zygote and ends when the fruit has reached 10% of its final size.
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comment: This fruit development stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions. This term can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known.
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''
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'''fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size up to 10%:''' A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that begins with the formation of the first plant zygote (PO:0000423) of a growing season and ends when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 10% of final size.
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comment: This stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a plant zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions. This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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''new name: whole plant fruit formation stage up to 10%''
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====FF.01 fruit size 10 to 30% stage (PO:0007009)====
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current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 10% to 30% of its final size.
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comment: This term can only be used ''of'' (sic) the final size of the fruit is known.
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''
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'''fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 10 to 30%:''' A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 10% to 30% of final size.
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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''new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 10 to 30%''
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====FF.02 fruit size 30 to 50% stage (PO:0007029)====
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current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 30% to 50% of its final size.
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comment: This term can only be used ''of'' the final size of the fruit is known.
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''
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'''fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 30 to 50%:''' A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 30% to 50% of its final size.
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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''new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 30 to 50%''
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====FF.03 fruit size 50 to 70% stage (PO:0007007)====
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current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 50% to 70% of its final size.
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comment: This term can only be used ''of'' the final size of the fruit is known.
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''
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'''fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 50 to 70%:''' A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 50% to 70% of its final size.
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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''new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 50 to 70%''
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====FF.04 fruit size 70% to final size stage (PO:0007027)====
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current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 70% of its final size to its final size.
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comment: This term can only be used ''of'' the final size of the fruit is known.
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''
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'''fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 70% to final size:''' A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 70% of its final size to its final size.
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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related synonyms: BBCH principal growth stage 75; BBCH principal growth stage 79
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''new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 70% to final size''
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====New synonyms for grapes====
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''Add related synonym: BBCH principle growth stage 77; Berries beginning to touch''
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''Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 31  Berries pea-sized (7mm dia), bunches hang, (BBCH 75)''
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''Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 32  Beginning of bunch closure, berries touching (if bunches are tight), Berries beginning to touch (BBCH 77)''
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''Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 33 Berries still hard and green, Majority of berries touching, (BBCH 79)''
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=Subclasses of whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010)=
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''Will post these on SF so we can work on them at a later meeting.''
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The current definitions are very vague and circular! For now, proposed just rewording them so it is clear that they refer to whole plants, but we will need to develop some more specific boundaries for these stages.
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==FR.00 beginning of fruit ripening stage (PO:0007036)==
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current def.: The stage at which fruit maturation begins.
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''
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'''beginning of fruit ripening stage of whole plant:''' A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant begins.
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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''Add related synonym: BBCH principle growth stage 81; Beginning of ripening: berries begin to develop variety-specific colour
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''Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 35  Berries begin to colour and enlarge, beginning of veraison ''
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==FR.01 early stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007001)==
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current def.:  The early stage in fruit ripening
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related synonym: BBCH principal growth stage 83
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'''proposed new name and definition:'''
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'''early fruit ripening stage of whole plant:''' A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is in an early stage.
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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''Add related synonym: middle of veraison''
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==FR.02 mid stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007031)==
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current def.: The stage when fruit ripening is midway.
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'''mid fruit ripening stage of whole plant:''' A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is midway.
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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==FR.03 late stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007050)==
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current def.: The late stage of fruit ripening.
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'''late fruit ripening stage of whole plant:''' A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is in a late stage.
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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==FR.04 fruit ripening complete stage (PO:0007038)==
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current def.:  The stage at which fruit ripening is complete.
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'''fruit ripening complete stage of whole plant:''' A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of most of the fruits on the plant is complete.
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comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.
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related synonym: BBCH principal growth stage 89
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''Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 38;  Berries ripe for harvest''
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References for grape terms:
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Coombe (1995) Growth Stages of the Grapevine: Adoption of a system for identifying grapevine growth stages. Australian Journal of Grape and Wine Research 1: 104–110  [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-0238.1995.tb00086.x/abstract link]
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Lorenz et al (1995) Growth Stages of the Grapevine: Phenological growth stages of the grapevine (Vitis vinifera L. ssp. vinifera)—Codes and descriptions according to the extended BBCH scale†. Australian Journal of Grape and Wine Research 1: 100–103 [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-0238.1995.tb00085.x/abstract link]
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBCH-scale_%28grape%29 BBCH grapes]

Revision as of 21:30, 1 October 2012

POC meeting, Webex Conference Call; Date: Tuesday Oct 9th, 2012 10am PDT/1pm EDT

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Subclasses of whole plant fruit formation stage (PO:0007042)

Modify names slightly for all of these (see below). Change definitions to use updated name of parent term.

What if fruits vary in size? You can still judge what 50 or 70% of final size is, if size variation is known.

What about plants with asynchronous fruit development? Do we need to develop whole plant growth stages for these types of plants. RW and MAG will talk to Naama about this.


We need to make it clear for all these stages that we are dealing with the FMA calls a cannonical plant, that is, a typical plant. Also, when we talk about final fruit size being known, that implies that the phenotype of a given genotype is well known. Need to make these points in the paper.

FF.00 fruit size up to 10% stage (PO:0007032)

current def.: A fruit formation stage that begins with the formation of a zygote and ends when the fruit has reached 10% of its final size.

comment: This fruit development stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions. This term can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known.


proposed new name and definition:

fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size up to 10%: A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that begins with the formation of the first plant zygote (PO:0000423) of a growing season and ends when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 10% of final size.

comment: This stage may begin without fertilization or formation of a plant zygote in cases of parthenocarpy, apomixis, or other hormone-induced conditions. This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.

new name: whole plant fruit formation stage up to 10%

FF.01 fruit size 10 to 30% stage (PO:0007009)

current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 10% to 30% of its final size.

comment: This term can only be used of (sic) the final size of the fruit is known.

proposed new name and definition:

fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 10 to 30%: A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 10% to 30% of final size.

comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.

new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 10 to 30%

FF.02 fruit size 30 to 50% stage (PO:0007029)

current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 30% to 50% of its final size.

comment: This term can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known.

proposed new name and definition:

fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 30 to 50%: A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 30% to 50% of its final size.

comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.

new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 30 to 50%

FF.03 fruit size 50 to 70% stage (PO:0007007)

current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 50% to 70% of its final size.

comment: This term can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known.

proposed new name and definition:

fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 50 to 70%: A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 50% to 70% of its final size.

comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.

new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 50 to 70%

FF.04 fruit size 70% to final size stage (PO:0007027)

current def.: A fruit formation stage that spans the interval when a fruit has reached 70% of its final size to its final size.

comment: This term can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known.

proposed new name and definition:

fruit formation stage of whole plant when fruit size 70% to final size: A fruit formation stage of whole plant (PO:0007042) that spans the interval when the average size of fruits (PO:0009001) on a whole plant (PO:0000003) has reached 70% of its final size to its final size.

comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development and can only be used of the final size of the fruit is known. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.

related synonyms: BBCH principal growth stage 75; BBCH principal growth stage 79

new name: whole plant fruit formation stage 70% to final size

New synonyms for grapes

Add related synonym: BBCH principle growth stage 77; Berries beginning to touch

Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 31 Berries pea-sized (7mm dia), bunches hang, (BBCH 75)

Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 32 Beginning of bunch closure, berries touching (if bunches are tight), Berries beginning to touch (BBCH 77)

Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 33 Berries still hard and green, Majority of berries touching, (BBCH 79)

Subclasses of whole plant fruit ripening stage (PO:0007010)

Will post these on SF so we can work on them at a later meeting.

The current definitions are very vague and circular! For now, proposed just rewording them so it is clear that they refer to whole plants, but we will need to develop some more specific boundaries for these stages.

FR.00 beginning of fruit ripening stage (PO:0007036)

current def.: The stage at which fruit maturation begins.

proposed new name and definition:

beginning of fruit ripening stage of whole plant: A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant begins.

comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.


Add related synonym: BBCH principle growth stage 81; Beginning of ripening: berries begin to develop variety-specific colour

Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 35 Berries begin to colour and enlarge, beginning of veraison

FR.01 early stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007001)

current def.: The early stage in fruit ripening

related synonym: BBCH principal growth stage 83

proposed new name and definition:

early fruit ripening stage of whole plant: A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is in an early stage.

comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.

Add related synonym: middle of veraison

FR.02 mid stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007031)

current def.: The stage when fruit ripening is midway.

mid fruit ripening stage of whole plant: A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is midway.

comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.

FR.03 late stage of fruit ripening (PO:0007050)

current def.: The late stage of fruit ripening.

late fruit ripening stage of whole plant: A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of one of more fruits on the plant is in a late stage.

comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.

FR.04 fruit ripening complete stage (PO:0007038)

current def.: The stage at which fruit ripening is complete.

fruit ripening complete stage of whole plant: A fruit ripening stage of whole plant (PO:0007010) during which ripening (GO:0009835) of most of the fruits on the plant is complete.

comment: This terms is best used for plant with more or less synchronous fruit development. This stage occurs only once in the life of annual plants, but may occur once for each growing season in perennial plants.

related synonym: BBCH principal growth stage 89

Add related synonym: grape E-L stage: 38; Berries ripe for harvest


References for grape terms:

Coombe (1995) Growth Stages of the Grapevine: Adoption of a system for identifying grapevine growth stages. Australian Journal of Grape and Wine Research 1: 104–110 link

Lorenz et al (1995) Growth Stages of the Grapevine: Phenological growth stages of the grapevine (Vitis vinifera L. ssp. vinifera)—Codes and descriptions according to the extended BBCH scale†. Australian Journal of Grape and Wine Research 1: 100–103 link

BBCH grapes

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